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The Tennis Business Discussion Forum Archive

Re: Ratings

From: Kjell Petterson <>
Date: Tue 1 Aug 2000 15:14:08 -0400

Thanks for your amusing message. The only reason I can see for rating
players is to be able to organize players in such a way that they will have
interesting matches against strangers. Where people know each other, there
is really no need for rating; I have often made the argument with my ladder
programs that you don't even need to have separate ladders for 3.0 level
players and 5.0 level players. If the ladder is any good, they will find
their levels in different ends of the ladder and (depending on the
scheduling system) they will never play each other, anyway.
Then we have the USTA leagues. Someone here made the statement that NTRP is
a self-rating system with verifiers. That's just the problem; each player
has an axe to grind. They will mostly try to get as low a rating as
possible, so the team can win easily (what kind of tennis is that, anyway?).
Some people - who don't play much - may want a high rating, so they can
'talk a good game'.
So, how can you verify that someone is a 4.0 singles player by watching them
play 16 points of doubles?? We all know of players who 'win the warm-up:
They come out and hit textbook shots during the warm-up, but they can't
play. The opposite is also true.
I guess that leads us to the conclusion that the only fair method of rating
is one based on actual performance in match play. We even have to be careful
with that one. It should be match play against a variety of opponents,
because we have the 'A beats B, who beats C, who beats A' syndrome depending
how different playing styles match up.
Then again, why rating? Why not have a statewide hierarchy of league levels
where each team plays every other team in the league, and e.g the first two
teams move up to the next level next season, and the two lowest teams move
down one level??
Thanks for listening,

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From: "chipb" <>
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Subject: By-Laws for not for profit club
Date: Wed 2 Aug 2000 06:39:18 -0600

I am searching for examples of by-laws / articles of incorporation for a
not of profit tennis club venture. Has any one come across anything
like that.


Chip Brenn

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Subject: How to create a draw and run a tournament
Date: Fri 4 Aug 2000 10:17:15 -0400

Can anyone recommend a book, website, etc. that describes how to create
a tournament draw (selection of seeds, placing of names, etc) and the
various types of tournaments (single elim, double elim, etc.), and how
to run tournaments and ladders. I am looking for some detail to make
sure I will follow the correct rules and structure.

Thanks in advance,

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